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February 26, 2008

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Thank God

Thank God they have gotten more of this stuff off the street and away from our kids. Now perhaps they'll begin to check immigration status. When you describe someone as a 'Columbian' man you have to assume that he's not a citizen. Is he a legal resident? If not, let's get him out of our country!

Imux

Hey Ron, you want more of these lowlifes coming in? This is what we've been telling all you libaloons for years now -- these ain't the best and brightest slipping through the fence now. These are the lowlifes and criminals who don't have a pot to piss in or a window to toss it out in their home countries, so they come here illegally and continue their criminal ways. That whole area has gone in the toilet thanks to you and your butt buddies that protect these criminal illegals. You're a dope.

somebody

Thank God: I too am glad about the arrests, but why must you assume a "Columbian" man is not a citizen? I know many Colombian people that are citizens, my family included.

FYI: It is spelled Colombian. There is no 'u'.

somebody

Imux: I also don't agree with illegal immigration, but how do we know that these guys were illegal? Many Latin Americans that are in the US are legal (and even citizens).
Not all Latin American drug dealers are here illegally. Not all illegal Latin Americans are drug dealers.

You also say that most of the ones coming here illegally "don't have a pot to piss in". So what? Who cares how much they had/have in their home countries? If they came here legally and didn't "have a pot to piss in", would you still be against them coming here? Most of the people who have immigrated to the US (legally and illegally) didn't have much in their home country. That's why they left their country to come here. Why would they leave otherwise? Do you think all those Irish and Italian laborers that came to the US were living the good life back home before deciding to go to the US?

Imux

Somebody, I have no problem with LEGAL immigration. If there are jobs/skills we need and people abroad that want to do them - then welcome to America! BUT these are those folks. These are the scumbags paying $10K to slip under a fence and then not pay taxes, steal services and send the $$$ back to their home countries. WE NEED TO KICK THEM OUT! NOW!

it *is* funny

Nice work to the SPD. Keeping that garbage off the street and out of the hands of kids is the most important part of this story.

Aren't there usually a LOT of cops at that Dunkin? Wonder why this genius chose that location as his drop-off?

Janine D

Why would the story point out specifically that someone was Columbian? I did not see any description of what nationality the "girlfriend" is. By doing that, it would lead one to believe that the person is not here legally.

somebody

Janine D: You're right. It does "lead one to believe that the person is not here legally", but that's only because of what people expect based on recent immigration issues. Stating someone's nationality does not provide any indication about legal status. I'd say that the reporter should have been more careful/descriptive.

Nationality

I think that when a newspaper in today's PC age, describes someone by their nationality it means that they're not citizens. Usually they are described by where they live......"a Somerville man" or "a Cambridge man". By choosing to describe this gentleman by his nationality it would infer to me that he 'lives' in Colombia. This infers no respect to Colombians on the whole, or to legal immigrants of any nation (except those who are dealing drugs!).
In fact, the other suspects are 'from Revere'.

Ron Newman

Could also mean that the arrested suspect has no local address and was visiting from Colombia.

Ron Newman

On the other hand ... the Journal's article identifies the suspect as a resident of East Boston.

Grog29

Isn't that a picture of the Dunkin Donuts where illegal aliens and illegal alien gang members hang out and rape little American girls in wheelchairs across the street in the park?

That Dunkin Donuts needs to be CLOSED.

Ron Newman

How exactly is Dunkin Donuts responsible for crimes that happen somewhere else? Bars have some legal responsibilities for the subsequent behavior of their customers, but I've never this applied to a fast-food outlet.

Grog29

Too much "activity" in it's parking lot. Circuit City was recently required to pay for it's parking lot monitoring due to drug activity. This particular Dunkins has had too many issues. It needs to be rectified...possibly
by hiring a security guard with a cell phone that has a sped-dial
if ICE agents or pull its business license.

Jimmy McDaniel

Revere...Suprise!
lol
Who does a drop off at Dunkin Donuts?!?!

Grog29

They come here because Somerville politicians have declared it a "sanctuary city" for illegal aliens.
No status questions, no problemo. It's well known that E. Boston is full of illegal alien Colombians who mostly overstay visas (El Globo has written articles about visa overstayers from Colombia...it's not just Brazilians anymore) but some fraction also cross from Mexico.

They are just coming here to sell the drugs that Americans refuse to sell. That's all.

Somerspeak

They are just coming here to sell the drugs that Americans love to use.

Grog29

Oh...was there an American user arrested? I didn't see that part.

From the Journal's article; it looks like the couple went into the Dunkins to sit down at a table for the deal. So Dunkins IS liable for what happens inside it's stores (just like they were liable when two illegal alien Brazilian workers at one of it's shops on the Cape were caught urinating and spitting in American customer coffees).

Nice huh? Only spitting and pissing in the coffees that Americans workers wond piss or spit in.

Ron Newman

Dunkin Donuts is obviously responsible for employee misconduct, but it's not clear to me that DD (or Diesel or Starbucks or anyone else) is responsible for what customers do while they are drinking their coffee.

former somerville girl

somerville.....lol that not shocking!!!

cabbie

Grog - You're a conservative, right? Aren't conservatives always talking about personal responsibility? Yet here you are wanting to make Dunkin Donuts responsible for the conduct of its patrons. Do you see how that conflicts with your ideology? No, Dunkin Donuts is not responsible for the conduct of its patrons. The conduct of its employees in regards to serving the public and public health issues, yes. These are very different situations.
Now if Dunkin Donuts were to be responsible for someone doing a drug deal on their premises it would set a dangerous precedent. The city would be liable for drugs deals in a park or on a street corner. And you dear Grog would be liable should someone do a deal on your driveway. The only way anyone would consider Dunkin Donuts liable is if they KNOWINGLY allowed drug transactions to transpire in their seating area. I doubt that was the case but IF you can prove that, maybe you've got something.

And former somerville girl - if you're going to be like that I'll say: You got out - just stay the hell out. Go spend your time at billerica.org or something.

steve

lookit,. man - dont dump on dunkin's - ive never had any trouble there - police do drive by and more ofte than not sitting in the lot in the back. but im a older guy w/a bad back with shit
clothes that doesnt have any car or anything to
steal....

but they are on top of drugs and know who the players are... good job on this big bust!!!!

i know a few people who hang there ... bob, or mad max, as i call him. he had a chevy wagon and changed colors on it every month!!!!

now an old mercury. and a family w/a baby there every night. i know the kid who works there at night. and hes american!!!

ive been there right before closing and never had any trouble.... waaiting for the bus.

what should be done is the illegal work force every morning.... call ice - its getting way out of hand......

but dont rank on dunkins as a bad place...

east somerville is improving, little by little...
there are drugs everywhere... ive been here 11 years and not afraid to walk bway after 10pm.

J

i happen to be a colombian from quincy and Arredondo, but i have noting to do with miss Arredonodo or drugs and by the way i'am not illegal... just thik before you judge.

leoprz@yahoo.com

I know this lady and her last ame is not Arredondo is (Sanchez)

Imux

We really need ICE to start making massive raids into East Somerville and cleaning the place up. The illegals bring in the crime, drugs and terrorism -- and we need to round them up and ship them back home. The good looking young women who clean houses cheaply can stay - the rest got to go.

We're at war... we need to get around the constitution. I'm not saying trample it - but if someone is here illegally they're not entitled to the same protections under our laws as real citizens. We the people need to start helping round these scumbags up by reporting them and their employers to ICE.

Ron Newman

> we need to get around the constitution

If you feel that way, why have one? What does it mean to defend the United States if you have no respect for the document that the country is based on?

somebody

Imux: Your comment about the "good looking women" is kinda funny, but it's hard to take you seriously about the rest of your comments. I'm starting to think you just like instigating, and that's all you want to do here.

Grog29

What does it (the Constitution) mean if you have no United States and you have no respect for our immigration laws and the votes of representatives that those laws are based on?

Yes, I am a conservative "unenrolled". Dunkin Donuts is making money from the illegal alien "pick up" area nearby. The also hire them even though they stated a couple of years ago that they would join the "Basic Pilot Program" and get rid of illegal workers. They said this a few weeks after the two illegal Brazilians got caught urinating and spitting in coffees. I blame them just as much as the scummy contractor who goes there to pick up the illegals. And yes I would be responsible if someone does a drug deal sitting at my kitchen table or in my driveway. I aldo informed you that the city has forced Circuit City to monitor it's parking lot due to drug sales.

Now that Dunkins knows that its parking lot is being used as a drug deal hangout...suspects have been arrested at their kitchen table...don't be surprised if someone sues them for not having a security guard there or cameras installed when a drug deal goes bad and a bystander is shot.

Grog29

What does it (the Constitution) mean if you have no United States and you have no respect for our immigration laws and the votes of representatives that those laws are based on?

Yes, I am a conservative "unenrolled". Dunkin Donuts is making money from the illegal alien "pick up" area nearby. The also hire them even though they stated a couple of years ago that they would join the "Basic Pilot Program" and get rid of illegal workers. They said this a few weeks after the two illegal Brazilians got caught urinating and spitting in coffees. I blame them just as much as the scummy contractor who goes there to pick up the illegals. And yes I would be responsible if someone does a drug deal sitting at my kitchen table or in my driveway. I aldo informed you that the city has forced Circuit City to monitor it's parking lot due to drug sales.

Now that Dunkins knows that its parking lot is being used as a drug deal hangout...suspects have been arrested at their kitchen table...don't be surprised if someone sues them for not having a security guard there or cameras installed when a drug deal goes bad and a bystander is shot.

cabbie

"And yes I would be responsible if someone does a drug deal sitting at my kitchen table or in my driveway"

Then you're an idiot.

NO ONE is or should be responsible for the actions of another individual because those actions occured on their property WITHOUT their consent.

If we followed your (il)logic many innocent people would have their lives ruined.

Further, Dunkin Donuts is not responsible for the morning meetings of the Illegal Club at Foss Park just because they're adjacent to the location. Again, you're logic would put ME in jail if my neighbor was dealing coke or happened to be an illegal.

What the hell kind of reality do you live in where you call yourself a conservative but you don't believe in personal responsibility? Rush Limbaugh just emailed me and says he's kickin' you out of the club.


Ron Newman

Obviously Dunkin Donuts is responsible for illegal actions by their employees while on company time and property. But you (Imux) seem to want to go much further.

Grog29

Retarded Cab,
No less than public housing authorities all across the country evict ALL tenants from apartments where a conviction (or even arrest) of a drug deal takes place. Doesn't matter if the fat Momma says "I didn't know!". She should have known from EXPERIENCE! They do the same if a deal goes down in your car and you are just sitting there listening to tunes
claiming "I didn't know". Same for your stinky little cab.

Again I TOLD YOU that the City of Somerville has told CIRCUIT CITY to
develop a monitoring system for it's "PARKING LOT" due to drug activity.
They are responsible for it's property. This "drug drop off" was scheduled for "it's property".

Let's hear from maybe someone who isn't retarded?

cabbie

Grog - Mrs. Cabbie happens to teach Special Needs kids. As such I find your use of the word "retarded" to be crass and offensive.

Leaving aside your lack of logic and your poor grammar - your inability to see the problem with the idea that a citizen or business owner who's property is used for illegal activity should be held liable when the activity occurs without their knowledge or consent is frankly frightening.

Grog29

Then frankly Retard...you are clueless to the facts on the ground.
They already ARE held responsible. I already gave you several examples. Were you one of your "Mrs." students?

For example...cab companies are known to be in the "business" as well.
Delivering "packages" from place to place all the while feigning ignorance to what's in the little packages. Is that what is frightening you? Consider this a reminder of what could happen.

cabbie

Well, you're proving that you're a typical, ignorant, conservative jackass. You have no idea what you're talking about so you resort to calling me a retard. Yep, you've proved your point by calling me retarded. I'm "clueless to the facts on the ground"? You're clueless as to the laws and principles this country is based upon. I CANNOT be guilty for a crime committed by someone else just because the crime was committed on or adjacent to my property. Without proving the crime occured with my knowledge and approval, I've done nothing wrong. Your logic would put away every landlord with a drug dealing tenant, every neighbor of a child molester, every business owner who has an assault occur on their premises, etc. Frankly what you're saying isn't just nonsensical framed against the laws of our land...it would resemble the old Soviet Union where a mere accusation could send someone to the gulag.

Feel free to keep yammerin'. With every keystroke your just proving who's the special needs poster here on The News.

Grog29

People and businesses and cabbies are held accountable for what goes on in and on their property for a long long time SPED groom.
If you can't fathom that then you have much larger menatl issues.

Did the City od Somerville force Circuit City to develop a monitoring system for it's parking lot because of rampant drug activity?

Are people in cars arrested and charged for ddugs discovered inside that car even though the driver claims to have had no knowledge that the drugs were in the car?

Are businesses sued if a rape or burglary or kidnapping happens in their parking lots?
The answer is yes to all the above.
You are wrong when you say it doesn't happen.
You are just in SPED denial for some strange reason. Must be worried about the "business" you are in.

cabbie

So now you're reaching into the conservative playback, page 193 - When all else fails throw out a wild and unsubstantiated allegation.

Grog, I'm not even a Cabbie and you have the unmitigated audacity to imply that I'm a drug dealer? You've got to be kidding. If you're not, fine..you're only accusing me of being a drug dealer to cover up for the fact that you're a pedophile.

What you don't seem to understand is that there's a large difference between being sued and being prosecuted on a criminal charge. There's a big difference between a chain store's dealings with a municipality and the level of accountability a property owner in regards to the conduct of those occupying their property. Earlier in this "discussion" you certainly seemed to be talking as if business and property owners are liable for criminal prosecution for the acts of others. Perhaps we have a misunderstanding as to criminal vs. civil liability.

"Are businesses sued if a rape or burglary or kidnapping happens in their parking lots?"
- These are all civil matters. To be sued is differnt than being prosecuted as a criminal.

"Did the City od Somerville force Circuit City to develop a monitoring system for it's parking lot because of rampant drug activity?"
- Honestly the first I've heard of it was your mention in this "discussion". I'll take your word for it. But this is a municipality working with a national retailer. Do you think Circuit wants trouble with the city or for that matter do you think they want drug deals going down in their parking lot? Further, this isn't criminal prosecution of Circuit City or its management.

"Are people in cars arrested and charged for ddugs discovered inside that car even though the driver claims to have had no knowledge that the drugs were in the car?"
I assume you mean drugs - or is ddugs what the kids are calling it these days? Being that my experience on this topic is limited to repeated viewings of Cops, since season one mind you, I'd have to say not always. I seem to recall more than once seeing it appear very obvious to the officer that the driver had no knowledge and had granted no consent for the illegal contraband in the vehicle. This leading to the officer releasing the driver and arresting the passenger.

Further, I'm not in any sort of denial. Well perhaps I'm in a state of denial in my belief that you could comprehend what I'm saying. Without knowledge and consent of criminal activity a property owner can not be liable for the actions of others. If you wish I'll add that on a civil level in addition to knowledge and approval a property owner could be held liable if they create an environment that allows or encourages illegal behavior. Which brings us back to where this all started in that you believe the DD at Broadway and McGrath should be either criminally or civilly liable for this drug deal. The management and ownership of the establishment had no knowledge of the deal, did not condone such a transaction and I would say they haven't set up an environment of drug dealing in their seating area or parking lot.

Now I'm done with the back and forth on this topic - So go ahead and call me a retarded drug dealer again as I'm sure you'll feel like a big man if you have the final word.

Grog29

Oh, you're (means "you are" and shouldn't be confused with "your") not finished? I thought you were finished when I slapped you around like a wet rag doll.

Do you have comprehension problems along with your SPED
issues? Were you responding initially to what I posted as
Dunkin Donuts needing "to hire a security guard" and that it's "liable" for what happens on it's property? Or were there voices in your head telling you that I said something else?

Go away. YOU'RE a waste of time and YOU'RE thick in the head and YOU'RE quite a Sybil.

Stupid

I agree with Cabbie.........his points are all common sense. We need more people like that in this city. There is no common sense here anymore, just people trying to outsmart eachother.

Kate

Ditto, to what 'Stupid' said.

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