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October 16, 2007

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Derek

Don't you think calling 911 to report some loud and rowdy college student making their way back from the Burren is a bit much? 911 is for emergencies, isn't it?

311

how about calling 311? You see, Tufts PD dont want to arrest little Johnny or Susie because mommy and daddy are paying over 40K a year. So they call an ambulance for the little boozebags and have them sent to the hospital to sober up. No call needs to be made back home to parents.

JARfromWard3

I noted with considerable interest at the last Class Day that no one from the SHS Class of 2007 would be attending Tufts (at least not that I could recall). I found this quite surprising and perhaps a little disappointing. I'm not sure if any students from SHS applied there, but certainly there must have been one or two.

When I asked my son (who is studying Nutritional Science at UMass-Boston)what he thought of that, he replied that "BU is the new Tufts".

Go figure!

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JAR

7

Tufts was been dicking Somerville for generations.Did you know that Somerville residents get a free ride to Tufts if they make the grades? Do you think they are tell our kids in SHS that? Cambridge has always been playing MIT and Harvard like we should be doing with Tufts. Tufts has deep pockets, and we need to get more out of them for all the greife they put us through.

Tricky

"So, since public drunkenness can all too easily move from being an annoyance to an actual pubic safety hazard"

Typo of the year!

Kate

"Did you know that Somerville residents get a free ride to Tufts if they make the grades?"

No, I never heard that; are you absolutely positive that it is still in effect? I would love my granddaughter, and all other deserving students, to take advantage of that opportunity.

JustWondering

Dear 7,

Why would Tufts offer a program like that and then not tell SHS students? If there really such a free tuition deal, do you honestly think that smart SHS students (the kind smart enough to get accepted to the school anyway) wouldn't find out about it one way or another?

Exactly what "greife" are you talking about? Please be specific.

Jesse

I don't find the public rowdiness of some Tufts students as disturbing as being cornered, yelled and sworn at by the sitting Ward 7 Alderman and Board President...

Kate

Oh, snap!

To

"Did you know that Somerville residents get a free ride to Tufts if they make the grades?"

Whatever you are smoking it must be some good stuff!!!!!

Don't think so

I think you're wrong about Tufts giving a free ride to those who 'make the grade'. I know of some very intelligent SHS students who were accepted at Tufts and didn't attend because they could not afford it. If there is such a program, noone knows about it, and I would say that includes students, Guidance Counselors, and Administrators. It makes great PR in a brochure, as long as you never have to pay out!

jjiff

I googled and found this new scholarship. I don't know if any have been given out, however:

At Tufts, the Doris W. York Endowed Scholarship Fund will provide full-tuition scholarships to women who graduated from Somerville High in the top fifth of their class while residing in the city throughout their high-school career.

The four-year scholarships will be awarded by the Financial Aid Office based on need. At least two are expected to be generated promptly for students entering Tufts in the Class of 2010.

"These scholarships underscore our close relationship with the Somerville community," said Patricia Reilly, Tufts' financial aid director. "Hopefully, they'll encourage more students from Somerville to consider Tufts."

Really?

Are these new scholarships?
"..for students entering Tufts in the Class of 2010.."

Here's the red herring:
"...The four-year scholarships will be awarded by the Financial Aid Office based on need..."
What is their criteria of 'need'?
"These scholarships underscore our close relationship with the Somerville community,"
Close relationship???
"Hopefully, they'll encourage more students from Somerville to consider Tufts."
Let's at least hope it's a step in the right direction, and they actually start to award these scholarships.

jjiff

The graduating class of 2010 enters in 2006. However, as I say, I don't know if any scholarships were awarded. It's also not Tufts, per se, that is shelling out the money. A woman who lived in Ball Square gave almost 2 million to Tufts for scholarships for females to go to college because her parents refused to pay her way to college(she also gave a comparable amount to BU).

SomersTime

Tufts is not going to REALLY reign in its students who disrupt and defile Somerville.

That bad behavior has been brought to Tufts' attention for years, and it still goes on full tilt. Tufts goes through the motions, pacifies City Hall with all sorts of stroking, and we keep on getting the same old bad behavior inflicted on us.

Tufts ain't about to put the damper on future contributors to the Alumni Fund!

Born n Raised

You can't get the police to show up from a complaint about a the noise from a house party of students at 2:00am (when others of us have to get up for work the next day), you think calling 911 is going to help?

I've yet to see an up side to living in a neighborhood that has so many off campus students living there...

Flugelhorn

I wonder just HOW MUCH DOUGH
Tufts has been pumping into Mayor Joe's campaign coffers, to get him all warm and fuzzy
about Bad Neighbor Tufts?

SomersTime

7's comment that "Tufts has been dicking Somerville for generations" just about sums
up the rogue elephant known as Jumbo....

JustWondering

Does anyone think it would be smart for the mayor to declare war on Tufts, like some readers of the Somerville News have apparently decided to do? That school has been there since before we were born, it'll be there long after we're gone, so it kind of makes sense to be try to establish a good relationship.

This message board has yet to produce one real piece of evidence (other than the public drunkeness which the mayor is trying to address here by suggesting an rather high-level action of calling 911) of why Tufts is a bad neighbor. Since I am a Tufts student (grad student), I was hoping those of you who are hating on my school could explain this to me.

Flugelhorn

It isn't a matter of hating Tufts--it's more a matter pf disgust for an institution that has looked the other way for years at continual students' loud disruptions, drunkeness, vandalism and public urination. I lived on College Ave. (& elsewhere) and saw it for myself, time and again, over and over and over.

How would you like to put up with that for so long, as a working stiff, trying to get a nights' sleep and dealing with that?

You don't have the benefit of hindsight on this issue, my friend.

somebody

I have been living in my condo about 3 blocks away from Tufts for over a year now, and I have yet to see anything that is of major concern. Occasionally, I have seen a few students walking around and making a little more noise than they should, but it's never been that big of a deal. Like JustWondering said, Tufts has been around way before any of us were born. If you didn't want to live near this kind of behavior, you shouldn't have moved near a university. You should know what you are getting into.

Ron Newman

I think of Tufts as an asset to Somerville, but the problems with noisy students don't usually reach my side of Davis Square.

Flugelhorn

After you've emerged from your bubble and canvassed the whole of West Somerville near Tufts about the disruptions--down through the years--then I'll value your opinion.

Meanwhile, your yuppie arrogance comes through pretty loud itself.

Flugelhorn

That was for Somebody, not Ron,
who does manage to display some
knowledge on local matters....

JustWondering

I would be pretty upset too, if there was too much partying going on. I wouldn't hesitate to call 911 if I felt it was appropriate, even to report my fellow students, although I would probably give them the benefit of a warning that I was going to do so if they didn't keep it down, go away, or whatever. Sometimes just the threat of this kind of action is all you need. Maybe I am just lucky but I have not encountered this public nuisance (and I live in Ball Square now, but for years in Union Square).

I doubt that the school's powers-that-be are thinking of the $36,700 yearly tuition when deciding how strictly to police students. It's a competitive school and if one student leaves (kicked out/dropped out/etc), the next person on the wait list will step right up and pay that tuition for themselves. Whether they contribute less to the alumni fund, it seems plausible yet unsubstantiated.

R

you move near an ESTABLISHED university. college kids go to university.
college kids drink and make noise- that's a fact.
you are a moron for moving to a college neighborhood.
besides, who knows who the hell else is making noise down there? how bout the drug addict who threw a trash bin at my car in the powder house rotary?
this whole world is crazy, but if you're stupid enough to move to where there are going to be college kids, well then...
SUFFER YOU MORONS

Tricky

Boston being Boston, Tufts doesn't have a monopoly on college students living in the area (although they're by far the leading supplier.) And college students most certainly do not have a monopoly on drinking and behaving like idiots. Vandalism? Go Google "Jason Cutter".

Flugel, how do you suggest Tufts monitor its off-campus students?

Tufts an asset?

I, on the other hand, do not see Tufts as an asset to Somerville. They do very little for Somerville. And please don't repeat that line about all the students spending money at the bars and restaurants. There are loads of 20-somethings also spending money there, probably lots more than the Tufts students. What irks me is when they run special programs for kids in Medford, but never Somerville. Yet they use Somerville as their little 'mini lab' for things like Shape Up Somerville which does nothing but provide them with information for their grad students' thesis (theses??). And as for moving near a university, there's some truth to that, however, I am of the opinion that schools shouldn't accept that many students that they can't house. Schools are so anxious for the tuition that they are intentionally putting more and more kids out into the neighborhoods every year. This was not such a problem years ago, because most students lived on campus.

somebody

Flugelhorn,

What about what I said makes my "yuppie arrogance comes through pretty loud"?

The fact that I said I bought a "condo"?

Or was it that my condo is 3 blocks from Tufts?

Or was it that I made point which you couldn't refute, and therefore you had to try and insult me to distract from my point?

Again, if you don't want noise, parties, and drunk students near you... don't move near a university. It's like moving next door to fenway park and then complaining about the noise and traffic. You should know what you are getting into.

jumbo

Just a little curious about why the mayor decided to float this fluff piece about Tufts right now? Wouldn't be at all surprised if there is some sort of behind closed doors deal going down with the Tufts administration as we speak.

Remember

Hey you guys and gals out there. Did not JOEY CAKES mentor CLEAN GENIE set up Tufts when he gave away the old North Eastern Jr. High for was it a dollar? Thats all she wrote.

Ron Newman (SF)

The city sold the Western Junior High School to Tufts, but why would Tufts be involved with the Northeastern, which was far from their campus? I don't understand.

Truth Fan

It is curious as to why the mayor would be singing Tufts' praises. He says, "Tufts has begun making direct in-lieu-of-tax contributions that will net the City of Somerville more than $1.2 million over a ten-year period." That's $120,000 per year. Considering that a single Tufts' building, like the library, would pay that in taxes every year if Tufts were not tax-exempt, that's next to nothing. If the mayor is impressed with that, there's little wonder as to why our taxes keep going up.

I have heard from more that one source that Tufts' has received a $50 million dollar grant to "work with the community." Does anyone know more about that? Compare $50 million to $120,000 and consider who is getting the better deal.

In my experience, Harvard and MIT provide a lot more to Somerville, even though two-thirds of Tufts is in Somerville. And I've never known Barbara Ruble, who receives a fat salary for being Tufts' "community relations" person, to do a single useful thing.

Misbehaving students do more than walk around drunk. Their vandalism and brawling make residents feel less safe. Years ago the Jumbo Lounge in Teele Square, which catered to Tufts students, was a continual public nuisance. City government agreed to detail a certain Somerville police officer there, who agreed to look the other way. The ward alderman ended up standing outside of the Lounge every night.

It seems to me that not much has changed in terms of what we can expect in terms of Tufts taking responsibility or city government holding them responsible. Except that aldermen now do less and get paid more.

Truth Fan

It is curious as to why the mayor would be singing Tufts' praises. He says, "Tufts has begun making direct in-lieu-of-tax contributions that will net the City of Somerville more than $1.2 million over a ten-year period." That's $120,000 per year. Considering that a single Tufts' building, like the library, would pay that in taxes every year if Tufts were not tax-exempt, that's next to nothing. If the mayor is impressed with that, there's little wonder as to why our taxes keep going up.

I have heard from more that one source that Tufts' has received a $50 million dollar grant to "work with the community." Does anyone know more about that? Compare $50 million to $120,000 and consider who is getting the better deal.

In my experience, Harvard and MIT provide a lot more to Somerville, even though two-thirds of Tufts is in Somerville. And I've never known Barbara Ruble, who receives a fat salary for being Tufts' "community relations" person, to do a single useful thing.

Misbehaving students do more than walk around drunk. Their vandalism and brawling make residents feel less safe. Years ago the Jumbo Lounge in Teele Square, which catered to Tufts students, was a continual public nuisance. City government agreed to detail a certain Somerville police officer there, who agreed to look the other way. The ward alderman ended up standing outside of the Lounge every night.

It seems to me that not much has changed in terms of what we can expect in terms of Tufts taking responsibility or city government holding them responsible. Except that aldermen now do less and get paid more.

School Lunch

"The early evidence from “Shape Up Somerville” is very promising: the data published by Dr. Christine Economos of Tufts’ School of Nutrition Science and Policy suggest that children can be prevented from gaining at least some excess weight – thereby reducing their chances of future health problems – by enlisting all community resources in giving kids the right food choices, better nutritional education, more opportunities to exercise and more approval and support for good lifestyle choices."

Then why doesn't the Somerville School System stop serving the absolute garbage they are giving our kids for lunch? Most of it ends up in the cafeteria barrells anyways. They should have a competant menu planner/buyer that would make the kids want to partake in the lunches served daily at our schools. Good, healthy food can be both appealing and nutritious for our kids. I "brown bag" lunch for my kids on a daily basis because they have told me they would rather not eat then consume what the schools have to offer.

Ward 2

We have the same thing in Ward 2. It is kind of ironic though, on august 31st some young college kids moved into the top floor above the Abbey lounge. 3 days later, the kids moved out. Neighbors who spoke to them reported that the noise was too much. The real kicker was the fact that they had their apartment windows open and the smokers out front caused a lot of smoke to go into their apartment...

So you know it is bad when Somerville bars are running college kids off. None of the neighbors near the bar appreciates their mess. The Bar is constantly full of smokers and the sidewalks are dirty and full of cigarette butts. The sad thing is that they may make a lot more money if they could rent out all of their apartments. But who want so live next to that?

Why is this kind of thing allowed in a Residential zone?

Ron Newman

It's possible that the Abbey Lounge predates the current zoning (Residential C, which does not allow bars and taverns). Zoning can only govern future uses.

Just thinking......

Perhaps the liberal politicians could consider allowing bar and restaurant patrons to use a legal substance within the establishment, when condoned by the owner. Then you wouldn't have smokers standing out in front of that and every other bar/restaurant (and soon casino!) in the state. Let's be real here, and not blame the bar for people smoking out front. Oh, I forgot, smoking is bad for you so the socialists need to tell you not to do it. OK to gamble, though, and hopefully the state makes tons of money from it!!

JARfromWard3

Ron:

I think "Remember" may have made a Freudian slip there. Just a guess. The Northeastern site was sold to a different developer--not Tufts.

Recollection tells me that the housing built there was subsidized somehow (SCC perhaps?), altho I am not familiar with the details. I'm sure someone on here would know and could perhaps share this with us.

Regarding the sale/transfer of the Western JHS to Tufts and former Mayor Eugene Brune's involvment; I believe that this was all discussed in at least one thread here a number of months back.

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JAR

it *is* funny

I lived on College Ave for 13 years and cannot remember one incident of drunk Tufts kids vandalizing or urinating or whatever. Maybe things have changed, but I'm much more worried about the old rowdy drunks in Davis Square or the crazies who hang out in Powderhouse and rant and rave when the meds aren't adjusted just right.

I think Mayor Joe is right on this one ... telling people to call 911 may seem a little harsh but I bet those stats get tracked and he needs more data to convince Baccow to take action.

As for the horrible state of things outside the Abbey ... have you called your Alderman to raise your concerns?

Annoyed

The problem with Tufts is not the students who live on campus in Tufts housing, but the off campus students who usually have no regard for their neighbors. I have lived in my house in West Somerville for over 50 years without any real problems with Tufts students, until they moved in next door after the house next to me was sold. They do not know how to be a good neighbor, and that is the biggest problem. They leave their trash outside all week, which then gets broken open, they park on property that isn't theirs, and they are loud. In the past 3 years, 3 different groups of students have moved in and I always think that the next group will be better behaved- but they are not.

To: It' funny

"or the crazies who hang out in Powderhouse and rant and rave when the meds aren't adjusted just right."

That guy that sits on the bench at Powderhouse is harmless. Leave him alone.

If you knew of the past history of Tufts with it's date rapes, closing of fraternity houses and the many "disturbances" that resident haves had to put up with for many years, then maybe you would have a clue.

I think you might need some meds to correct your brain connections!

it *is* funny

"That guy", if we are talking about the same guy, once followed me into a laundromat yelling and shouting at the top of his lungs. I'm sure he didn't mean to frighten me, but I was really scared.

A friend of mine who is a psych nurse at Cambridge Hospital knows him well ... he does occasionally go around the bend and has assaulted folks when his meds aren't adjusted. Lay off me, buddy.

Ward 2

So can they expand their licenses and renew them? Or just renew them?

Ron Newman

Licensing (as in liquor) and zoning are two separate things. But generally, if a commercial zone is changed to residential, the existing commercial use can remain, and can be replaced by another commercial use of similar size.

Ward2 too

We called and emailed our Alderman,

Only to be ignored....

Charles Chisholm

One of the reasons I'm running for alderman is the difficulty we have preserving a decent neighborhood with some many houses going all student. Students who abuse alcohol are more than a nuisance, they are a danger to themselves. Whether their parents find out or not, students with blood alcohol counts over .3 risk death from alcohol poisoning and/or accidents. The City and the University need to address this problem lest the casualties continue to mount.
I have dealt with all of the problems which have been described. I do not entirely blame the students...they are young and need direction, some guidance and some limits placed on them. Many times young people will respond constructively when they realize what is expected from them. When the City and the University fail to
react to poor behavior, that is a signal to students that it is ok to persist. The City and the University are the adults here. How about getting together and providing some leadership, some limit setting, some counseling? No one should be told to move from their home so that others can break our laws with impunity.

Working Class Joe from Winter Hill

Everyone I have ever met from Tufts was smug and thought they were the greatest human being in the world. I love the ones who have taken over our city and state's government. Mommy and Daddy paid 50k a year so they can read in a book what the rst of us live and see everyday. Our kids won't go to Tufts, Harvard or MIT. Correction, if your here illegally and live in Somerville, your kids will be going there. For the rest of us, their is UMass. You know what I say, there are more UMass, SUNY, UConn and UNH grads in town, why not give them a taste of their own medicine and hire the state school grads. Help out the offspring of the working class people who are being screwed over with the looney short sighted ideas coming from the trustfund babies in the Ivory Tower.

somebody

Why can't "our kids" go to Harvard? If a kid gets accepted to Harvard (the hardest part), they are pretty good about helping with tuition. The kid gets a full ride if the parents make less than $60k. That's a pretty nice deal, and should give incentive to kids to work hard. ...and should give an incentive to parents to motivate their kids to work hard. (Harvard also helps if parents make between $60-80k. They don't get a full ride though.)

I don't know about Tufts or MIT though.

Kate

It will be interesting to see how many Tufts grads actually take the offer vs. the high-paying private-sector jobs that they and their parents expect them to get.

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