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September 25, 2007

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Tricky

"She must now face Chisholm in the general election before returning to the Board of Aldermen for a second term in 2008."

What is this? An anti-Freudian slip?

Alderman-at-Large

Does anyone know who are the candidates running for the Alderman-at Large seats??

Ron Newman

All four incumbents, plus Fred Berman and Tony Lafuente.

'mandate'!?

I fail to see how receiving a 76% majority of less than 6000 votes cast (blanks/write-ins?)constitutes a 'mandate' from the people!

Ron Newman

What would you call a mandate? 80%? 95%?

I do hope Suzanne Bremer revs up her campaign a bit so we can have a real race where issues are debated and discussed.

PersonDavis

How does receiving a 76% majority become a mandate was asked by the person above. The answer I would give is....... it doesn't. What I think it says is that the mayor, whoever is in the seat at any particular time, has a machine in place with city hall hires and patronage and favors they've done and so on and he or she is able to get their vote to the pols. That's why they usually say a low turnout favors the incumbent and a high turnout favors the challenger. When its all over though, remember that its money and organization rather than yard signs that wins elections in most cases and right now this mayor seems like he has both of these. I had people walk up to me yesterday and ask if there was an election today after they saw people with signs outside Dilboy and Ciampa. It shows how much the average person pays attention to these things.

ccollins

Ron I think the point being made is out of 35,000+ registered voters in the city no one has a mandate.

The mayor did recive a high percent of the vote because in reality he does not face serious opposition.

I know Joe, Stan and the boys are already putting the spin on that he has a mandate, that's why his team is so good, they are the Whitey Bulger of politics.

Ron Newman

Incumbent mayors can and do lose elections, including preliminary ones. Have we forgotten Dorothy Kelly Gay already?

it *is* funny

Nice headline. Better than "Scirocco GIVES a beating" this time.

Paul Colyer

The spin should be coming from the so-called citizens of Somerville who failed to get out and vote..not on those who did!

ccollins

No sure what point you are making Ron, of course incumbants can lose, but they need serious competition in order to lose. Having a pie in the sky platform not base in the reality of running a major city doesn't cut it.

Spoiler

Yes Newman, your right they do. In that case of Dot Gay though it was because there was a third candidate with fairly deep pockets, Tony LaFuente, who acted as the spoiler during a time when Dot's ratings were low.
Over in Everett Ragucci who was a multi-term incumbent came in third as well last time behind Bonfanti and Hanlon.
I bet if this Bremer woman spent 35-40% of the money that Curtatone spends, she could make a serious challenge but she would still fall short. No matter what though, I bet you will also see her get 30-35% of the vote if she doesn't do anything at all. Just look at the past election results from Bill Baros and others and you will see that it is a common figure of non-contents.

Truth Fan

Here are a couple of interesting data points to go with Spoiler's post. When he was fist elected mayor in the 2003 general election, Joe Curtatone spent three times what Tony Lafuente spent. Curtatone spent more per vote than any other mayoral candidate in the Commonwealth that year. But he only won by 50.8% of the vote.

ccollins

Please remember in 2003 Joe was the spoiler. Lafuente was already in the race and Joe at the last minute filed papers to run.

blank

how many blank's were there?????

Not Many

CANDIDATENAME VOTES

BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL 6164
MAYOR
SUZANNE W. BREMER 825
RICHARD J. SCIROCCO 467
JOSEPH A. (JOE) CURTATONE 4717
WRITE IN 83
BLANK 72

ALDERMAN - WARD 6
BOB ADAMS 49
REBEKAH L. GEWIRTZ 728
CHARLES J. CHISHOLM 390
WRITE IN 8
BLANK 23


Get a grip

The Mayor ran against "Restraining Order" Rick and a no name Tufts librarian who says "entered the race for mayor after the campaign tactics used by Alderman-at-Large John M. Connolly in his special election victory this year against Marty Martinez, who Bremer had volunteered for." What a great reason to run for Mayor!

There will be no holes in Joe's shoes this year from pounding the pavement. The only pounding that will be dished out this year is by Joe trouncing this bitter Martinez supporter who got mad at how poor Marty got treated in the rough and tumble world of Somerville politics.
Boo Hoo!

To Ron

Fred Berman of the Mystic View Task Force Constipators? This city does not need a Mystic View Task Force refugee involved in city government in any capacity, nothing will ever get done. Just look at Ward 6, name one major accomplishment she has achieved.

btw: Why didn't the PDS endorse anyone for Mayor? The librarian in the Mayor's "race" was a Marty supporter. Are the PDS embarrased by her?

Read

Joey Cakes, Confucius Say, “If you want to know what a ma n is, place him in authority” So we saw lets beat up on a woman, I.E. Linda Bohan, she aint going to go away Joey Cakes

To Ron Newman:

To Ron Newman: I don't know why you don't get it! Receiving 3/4 of 6,000+ votes is not a 'mandate' of the voters of this city. It may indeed be a mandate of those 6,000 people, but a mandate from the people of the city of somerville would require lots more than 4700 people to cast their vote!!

Ron Newman

But if those non-voters were strongly against the Mayor, shouldn't they have voted for one of his opponents?

dashford

That's a false choice, Ron -- it's not the case that either you're "strongly against the mayor" or you're "giving the mayor a mandate," with no other options. The only mandate delivered here is one of indifference.

Now, you can try to twist "indifference" into "contentment," and then twist THAT into "mandate" but it seems pretty labored, and perhaps a little partisan.

Ron Newman

Point taken. I wouldn't count myself as a full-throated supporter of the Mayor, as I disagreed with him regarding Assembly Square before the current agreement was reached. I voted for Bremer because I wanted to ensure she finished ahead of Scirocco, to save our city some embarrassment.

I love the skipper and naughty girls!

Its nice to see the skipper back! God Bless Ya, You look great! Hail to the skippa!

Somerville Reader

Dear "To Ron Newman",

I have to respectfully disagree. If voting is the way we determine who has support fromt the community and who doesn't, it seems to me like the people who actually show up and vote are the ones who get to decide who has a mandate and who doesn't. If you don't care enough to show up and vote, you've kind of lost your moment to make your voice count. Of the people who actually cared and bothered to speak up at the polls, more than 3 out of 4 of them were pro-Curtatone. I'd say the guy is justified in at least claiming to have a mandate.

Somerville Reader

Dear "To Ron Newman",

I have to respectfully disagree. If voting is the way we determine who has support fromt the community and who doesn't, it seems to me like the people who actually show up and vote are the ones who get to decide who has a mandate and who doesn't. If you don't care enough to show up and vote, you've kind of lost your moment to make your voice count. Of the people who actually cared and bothered to speak up at the polls, more than 3 out of 4 of them were pro-Curtatone. I'd say the guy is justified in at least claiming to have a mandate.

Tricky

Then again, why did 4000 more voters turn out for the 2003 mayoral primary? Could it have anything to do with the viability of the candidates?

I fell into the same boat Ron did yesterday, voting for Bremer so she could finish ahead of Scirocco, not because I thought she has a snowball's chance in hell in November. What the hell kind of election is that?

Somerspeak

The Rick and Joe show was not pleasant to watch. It was a disgrace to the city and in the long run was costly to our city's image.

To those who think the Mayor has done some good for the city, I agree. To those who think he's a saint, think again.

Time will tell. In the end, I think most of these "friends and supporters" will move from the city when the trough runs dry.

In the meantime, drink up and have a ball.

ricky  squandered tax payer's dollars

Ricky squandered tax payer's dollars by entering the race. Rumor has it that Lafuentez planted the "the tricky dick" in the race to divert attention from the at-large race. I have to give lafuentez credit. Its working!

Lafuente funded Richard's run for mayor

Is it true that Lafuente funded Richard Scirocco's bid for mayor? Rumor has it, they were seen having lunch @ Atasca's in Kendall Sq.

Election

If Lafuente and Scirocco did not want to be seen having lunch together they'd be having lunch far from here. Oh wait, that IS far, relatively speaking.

 Spin, Spin, Spin

Here we go. Just out of the gate from the first election, now the attacks are unleashed.

Someone is real nervous and I wonder who it is. This Administration is trying to set up for the final election and will spin any lie it can conjure up. Lafuente backing Scirocco? Come on will ya. You would do anything, anything to just dirty the waters. Even to think Lafuente would back Scirocco to deflect the at large race. Come on.

How desperate are you and the crew thinking these ridiculous things up? Desmond or Sullivan will be looking in from the outside when the final is over.

nobody important

to Tricky: "what the hell kind of election is that?" You're right, it's no kind of election. It's just some idiot's way of making a mess and causing the city to have to pay thousands of dollars to hold a primary election, what a waste of money. Anyone who thought this would be a real race is delusional.

to Somerspeak: "Time will tell. In the end, I think most of these "friends and supporters" will move from the city when the trough runs dry." If you think that the majority of the people who call themselves "friends and supporters" of Joe are really in this for Joe, you're delusional too. While some of us can truly count ourselves as Joe's friends, most people support any politician, not just Joe, for what they can get out of it. So don't kid yourself into thinking that those who run for the hills when the "trough rund dry" were really Joe's friends to begin with.

Hoorah

The only disgrace to the city is Restaining Order Rick. This monster LOVES to be in the limelight. He will continue to keep himself there if the good citizens of Somerville do not do anything about it. He may be out of the race but he is still in YOUR city! What a scary thought! Take action and complete the task. Let the truth be told regarding Restraining Order Rick and stop this monster! A good majority of the people in Somerville know what he is all about. Remember, the truth will set you free and put Restraining Order Rick where he belongs. We all know where that is....

hala

Hey why doose the media keep writing bad things about Rick? He is a good guy trying to make this city better for us lifers in the city.

daniella g

i just wanted to coment to whom this may concern! to the media and Who ever. it seems as though you are all visious and UnProfessional with your rude and and crude coments on Rick Scirocco! Do you have any thing better to do than chew people up and spit them out? hope fully this statement ive made can give a little thaught about chamging your cruel and melevelant ways!

rachelfromtheville

hey daniella....get a dictionary...and a clue.

Kate

Once someone becomes a public figure, they lay themselves open to scrutiny and criticism, it goes with the territory.

B.T.K.

That race was a mockary. Scirocco hang it up. You'll never run the hill, and you'll never run somerville. keep to running from the Law.....

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