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August 13, 2007

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Go Figure

James,
Thanks, but no thanks. As a city, we have made tremendous strides forward from where we were in the 1970's. Frankly, we don't need an outside politician dragging us back.

We can solve our own problems without you adding to the pile.

Ron Newman

The Brickbottom area has tremendous potential if the McGrath Highway underpass can be torn down and a Green Line station sited there. All of that potential will be wasted if a jail is built on that site.

Go Figure

Thank uou, Ron. Excellent point!

thenoseknows

im not saying im for a jail, but, what has the negative effect been for cambridge? situated properly on the lot..maybe with access from the cambridge side only. again im not for it but im willing to listen some proposals.

Dear James

You are a pig on steroids. Go screw yourself and your demented smile.

Go Figure

Nose,
There are several big differences between the current jail in Cambridge and putting one in Somerville. Here are a couple of examples:

The current jails occupies the top floors (5 I think) of the Middlesex Superior Court/Cambridge District Court. People don't think of it as a jail, because the majority of the building is a courthouse. The position of the jail section makes escape virtually impossible.

The loss of a large parcel of taxable land in Cambridge is virtually unoticeable due to their huge tax base. In Somerville, it's a huge loss and further diminishes the values of promising areas, as Ron pointed out.

Finally, do we really want a prison in our midst?

Born Here

whatever you do, don't get rid of the waste transfer station on Poplar St. It is nice and ripe this time of year !! Ya, lets turn our backs on a possible 30 million dollar building, i'm sure the Police like their current toxic dump.

Reality bites

Given that health inspections have found NOTHING wrong with the building, the only rational possibility is that cops are just making it up or have serious psychosomatic disorders.

The Pie Man

A new jail similar to the one in North Station isn't really that bad considering what we have to look at now at all three locations. A new jail would be an enormous improvement! With the right landscaping and what not a new jail\ Police Station isn't really a bad thought. Go for it! Just listen to the tree hugger from Brickbottom that wants to tear down the McGrath Highway overpass. Ya right! Just cause you said so! Wake up and smell the Granola Bars! What a moron!

The Man from London

Auy, Bue, Cee and Dee for Dot! Let Build a Succor Stadiummmm! Aund fill iit wieth lots and lots of Guinnuss! Yum,yum!!Just lyke in thee olwd cuntruy!!!!!!

barneyboy

Do prisons pay local real estate taxes?

Ron Newman

I look at the Nashua Street Jail, facing the riverfront, and say, "shouldn't there be a hotel here instead?"

Questioning the

So I just googled the Chicopee jail to find out more about the benefits their city received.

According to an 8-10-07 article from The Republican (Springfield paper), "Not only did the city receive $1.34 million from the state for the land on which the jail was built, it will also receive $10,000 for every bed at the facility." It says it's a 210 bed facility.

So for hosting the Chicopee jail, their community gets $2.1 million, plus the $1.34 million payment for the cost of the land itself, so a total of $3.34 million.

So how does DiPaolo figure he's gonna give Somerville $30 million?

The Patriot

The Sheriff has an excellent idea. We need a new police station and it wouldn't need that much space out of the 100 acres available. The current site of the police station could be redeveloped, with a new green line station with condo above the station. Maybe it could speed up the green line coming to Somerville.

Born Here

bend over people, Deval wants to give you your green line extension.......suckers!

observer

Yipee. We can add this to the list of the ridiculuous and absurd thing people want to do FOR Somerville. First a Sludge Plant, then a Soccer Stadium, and a now a Jail. Take those three on the chin and slow or never see the Green Line and Somerville will collapse into the Chelsea. Let me be clear in my opionion only an IDIOT would support a new jail, soccer stadium, or sludge plant.

If any of our representatives or city officials vote to support this... and or cannot stop all three they should be voted out of office.

observer

Yipee. We can add this to the list of the ridiculuous and absurd thing people want to do FOR Somerville. First a Sludge Plant, then a Soccer Stadium, and a now a Jail. Take those three on the chin and slow or never see the Green Line and Somerville will collapse into the next Chelsea. Let me be clear in my opionion only an IDIOT would support a new jail, soccer stadium, or sludge plant.

If any of our representatives or city officials vote to support this... and or cannot stop all three they should be voted out of office.

kate

barneyboy - Re: taxes. In the recent post, "Could Somerville score a major league stadium", someone posted that jail's are tax-exempt. (it looks as if SN has taken out all of the discussion regarding a jail that was posted in that topic -hmmmm)

JMD

What person in their right mind is going to buy a condo above a T station?

The Pie Man

Hey Ron N.! The closest that you have ever came to entering a hotel was a "Raid Motel" on you kitchen floor! What do you really know about the Nashua Street Jail? I doubt if you ever even drove by there! Did you pedal that far on you bicycle to a "free food event or a tree hugging day on the lawn"?
"Who's Throwing Those Pies!!!!!!

The Pie Man

If the city and the Sheriff can design a great looking state of the art building on one of those ugly parcels of land, I say go for it! It's better than we have now and I think it's the only way that the current occupants of those parcel will pack up and relocate somewhere else. You've got to look at it that way as well! Either keep what you've got now which is ugly and the occupants have no intention on moving out of this area, at least in our lifetime or go for a fine designed clean and useful state of the art building with brilliant landscaping that the Sheriff wants to give us.

kate

The Pie Man - you have your opinion and others have theirs. Enough, with the childish personal comments.

Skeptic

The Sheriff is just an overweight bully with no brain. He could not design a roll of toilet paper.

Some Ole Villen

Doesn't it make more sense to implement Howie Carr's suggestion of many years ago and just build a twenty foot fence around the entire city and give all the politicians ten to twenty years.

For the record

Just to clarify for the record....I don't think Howie Carr specified politicians. His comment was to 'just give everyone 10 to 20'.

nobody3

I object to the arguments that a jail would be better than what is there now. The choice is not between a jail and a waste transfer site, its between a jail, a waste transfer site, and something actually less heinous, like a hotel, retail, office building.

it *is* funny

Good point. It's very limited to restrict the choices for that area to two different PITA ideas (soccer stadium, jail) or the status quo. I think that's what Ron was saying upthread ... the area has a lot of potential.

Democracy

Agreed. The job of the "leaders" is to lead, that is, to THINK for once and COME UP with something better! Anybody can occupy an office, sign pieces of papers and show up at stupid ceremonies.

The Mole

What is the Mayor to do? Just recently the City was served with a court date of February 4, 2008 by a Federal Court to hear arguments relative to the “Sick Building” which he has all of our officers working in. Does he take it to the limit or bow to a settlement with DiPaolo?

Just think, we either settle in with the Inmates or fight for a new building. I think it’s a mute point, but then again so is our fearless leader. "MUTE"!!!

The Mole

YankeeH8ter

How anyone could agree with DiPaola is ridiculous. What is bad for this part of Somerville is bad for all of Somerville. Bringing a jail so close to a soon to be re-vitalized Union Square is absurd. What prospective home owner would like to walk or drive to Shaws and go past a jail? Taxable revenues will suffer for all if this is allowed, and the unrealized potential of the area goes to waste.

Instead of a jail, how about separating the Union Square leg of the T to be completed as soon as possible. That will spur Union Square growth and increase revenue generation. How about as part of that 2 mile of new track, sink the train to go under a newly leveled McGrath highway at that point? Get rid of the overpass and now you just freed up buildable land that was previously an unusable embankment. That will help Union Square and increase city revenue. How about place a T stop there? I'm sure North Point would love a easy T ride for residents to go food shopping. Now that a T stop is there, Bob Craft has even more desire to build a MLS stadium and concert venue with about the same walk as someone parking in Foxborough. A stadium done right is more of an attraction than a liability for people.

We have so many ways to both make Somerville better and increase revenue other than going to bed with someone who wants to throw the town back to the '70's with yet another black eye for Somerville. We don't want a jail, we don't need a jail, and the land can be used for more productive means.

Whitey the Homo Rat

Tax payers, People in transision and all the rest of you FOOLS that live in the City of TEN HILLS,,,,,,What would Buddy McLean think (or even say if he were still among us ....the living) What would Sal Sperlinga do "stop playing cards at Piro's Printing establishment" if he only knew.......Mr Mayor Mr Curtatonebgbebgbebgb.....The answer to the delemia is so obvious you can't see it through the forest of trees that Mike C planted thru out the city and have now busted up all the concrete pannels in all of the best sidewalks ever constructed in Howie's city.......Contract this opportunity out to one of the finest elected officials ever to grace the hallowed halls of the City Hall building on Highland Avenue This is a job for none other than THE MAN WITH the connections and all the walk around money you will ever need to stike the best deal in the world for the Ville.....Vinny Vinny Vinny....bring THE MAN out of retirement ...Let him make the best deal he can for the city he loves and HIMSELF of course Vinny needs to get something out of lending his expertise to this land deal. Vinny "The Piper" PIRO deserves nnothing less....a well deserved piece of the action....because we all know that in somerville the more things change the more they stay the same.....the ship of FOOLS this city has always had at the wheel of the ship.......Pathetic and dispicable at the same time.....frank bakey tim credon mike "zorba" McKenna of NCC fame, the father Dennis "the senator that could never pass the bar............nor the rooms without going in for a few brews that is not votes, B. Campo aka Mr Fix it " aka the Adjsuter aka Mr Abatemement man the Campo property tax law of somerville.....The list of scrupulous dedicated public servants in Somerville not to mention jackie Havigan and the city solisitor young paul haley .....the list is endless........and these aren't even the criminals they are the POLS.....


Let the game with the FEDS begin....hey Boss Hog you will fit right in at the BIG House I wish you the best and hope you have all the fun you can "HAndle" in House......I hope it has all been worth it your public reputation, your family name and your future here on palnet earth,,,,destined to a Big House somewhere out there....put out the lights the party is about to come to an end........aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Joe Mama

When are Feds gonna take this bully out!! He is outa control!! He makes criminals being held in Cambridge look like alter boyz!!!!! I hope he will fit on the Front Page of the Herald......He will have to have a single cell in Club Fed the Fat B******!!!

Joe Mama

When are Feds gonna take this bully out!! He is outa control!! He makes criminals being held in Cambridge look like alter boyz!!!!! I hope he will fit on the Front Page of the Herald......He will have to have a single cell in Club Fed the Fat B******!!!

thenoseknows

so we finally hear from the scirocco campaign. at least all the meetings at headquarters didnt go to waste.

Ward 3 Voter

Do not pass SOMERVILLE, do not pass go go directly to the somerville jail. please sheriff jim no jail here in somerville.

They got the new jail permit passed!

I heard that the Tauro brothers had sent a representative of theirs to the Inspectional Services Department today to pull a building permit for the start of the new construction of the new jail to be built on their tow lot property next to Brickbottom! And it was approved! Wow, now that's powerful stuff!

'Jail Permit

Ever here of the Zoning board?

Misinformation

False. I work for the ISD and I can say with absolute certainty that nothing like that has taken place today.

I heard the same as well!

I heard the same news in Sonny's Deli as well! But I think they obtained it some time ago!

DPW worker

I think some of you are confused and have jumped the gun a bit. Bill Tauro was possibly seen at ISD (Inspectional Services Department) on a totally different matter on a totally different permit! I think?

Born Here

I'm sure the soil tests will slow things down a bit.

Paulie

How anyone could agree with DiPaola is ridiculous. What is bad for this part of Somerville is bad for all of Somerville. Bringing a jail so close to a soon to be re-vitalized Union Square is absurd. What prospective home owner would like to walk or drive to Shaws and go past a jail? Taxable revenues will suffer for all if this is allowed, and the unrealized potential of the area goes to waste.

>>the horror that all the suburbanites in Concord have to deal with as they drive by Concord Prison on their way home or for Friday night pizza at the Walden Grille

Paulie

The Brickbottom area has tremendous potential if the McGrath Highway underpass can be torn down and a Green Line station sited there. All of that potential will be wasted if a jail is built on that site.

Posted by: Ron Newman | August 13, 2007 at 06:40 PM

>>I notice you post a lot Ron..what development experience do you bring to the table?

Democracy

What development experience is required to see the obvious? What experience that is useful to Somerville, as opposed to their own pockets, do "developers" bring to the table?

Star Market Lot

The closing of the Star Market on Winter Hill could make room for a new jail/police station on it's site. The city saves money by going in with the Sheriffs office constructing the building. It's a win/win situation!

Ron Newman

A jail and police station is a much less desirable use of that property than a supermarket! The city and landlord should be trying to find a new grocer to replace this one.

To Ron

Why would any grocer open a business there when the Stop and Shop put the Star Market out of business?

What's the problem of putting a jail/police station there? It has to go somewhere.

Ron Newman

What good does a jail do the people of Winter Hill? And why take commercial property off the tax rolls?

Perhaps a different retailer (Foodmaster, Market Basket, Trader Joe's, whatever) could pay more attention to this store than Shaw's did in its final years.

Snowflake

Put the Jail where the Tow Lot is now! It's out of the way and steps to Cambridge!

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