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July 26, 2007

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Mystic Man

Hey Wig,
does anyone else notice the 18 wheel gas tankers now use Mystic Ave as a route to 93 from Everett?? It used to be a route from Everett/Chelsea up rt. 99 onto Mystic Ave by Home Depot. NOW, they appear to be coming through Wellington Circle onto McGrath then turning onto Mystic Ave by Temple St. The difference is that now these flammable hazards now pass Ass'y Sq, Ten Hills, and the Mystic Housing development.....Hmmm any comments?? The other route didnt primarily pass any densly populated neighborhoods.

Tricky

My impression is that the worst offenders are the NY shuttles flying the older, noisier airplanes. If they've got to send something over our town (and unless we legislate the northwest wind out of existence) at 5:30 am, at least they could send out something that was built within the last five years.

Most of this town is within five miles of the end of runway 33, we're not going to be able to change that. Still, we ought to be able to stop the aerial equivalent of a pack of Harleys from flying overhead at unreasonable hours.

observer

I hate to be the guy on the grassy knoll... but what the heck...

Do you think the increase is in part due to the refusal to allow a new runway...

That said, given all the issue the City faces... this does not seem to be a key priority...

Ron Newman

What refusal to allow a new runway? The new runway is open.

observer

another theory shot down... oh well...

I guess I still dont see this as a key issue...

Matt

I haven't noticed this at all. Maybe it's because i live off a very busy street. But honestly, this is a city we live in, and i think if I was expecting dead quiet, I would move out to the burbs. These are the kind of trade-offs we have to make if we want to live in a dense community.

Democracy

I have been keeping track of it. It varies by day. There are some days when airplanes fly very low above Spring Hill, every 5-10 minutes or so. On most days there are no airplanes. No idea why, perhaps it depend on wind conditions or traffic.

it *is* funny

I logged a few complaints with the Port Authority's website after a few pretty stark evenings of plane after plane after plane overhead.

You hear this counter-argument all the time -- you don't live in the burbs, you have to expect noise -- and I do. I also expect them to take measures to share the pain with other communities. I know they can stagger the routes so it's not constantly over the ville.

barneyboy

I think the noise depends on where you live. Near College Ave. the planes fly right over my house. It's window-rattling loud. It seems a month or so ago they were flying over non-stop, like once a minute, sometimes all day long. I called the noise complaint line at Logan and they said it was because the wind was blowing from the northwest, and planes need to take off and land into the wind, so they need to use runway 33L which aims right at Somerville. It's the departing planes that are making the noise since they are under full power to gain altitude as fast as possible. The interesting thing is that the wind wasn't necessarily blowing from the northwest when the planes were flying overhead. So I am wondering about the "wind" I got in response from the complaint department. I disagree with the posters that say this is not an issue. I think it's a huge issue. Nobody wants to live next to an airport because of noise pollution, and living in an area where planes are constantly rumbling overhead is, in effect, living next to an airport.

barneyboy

> You hear this counter-argument all the time -- you don't live in the
> burbs, you have to expect noise -- and I do. I also expect them to
> take measures to share the pain with other communities. I know they
> can stagger the routes so it's not constantly over the ville.

Yah, and when they proposed a new airport at Fort Devens, the suburbanites and small-towners shot this idea down with fervor.

Kate

Mystic Man: I haven't noticed, but now I'm going to pay attention. I grew up on Middlesex Avenue just a few doors up from Wellington Circle. There used to be a sign (maybe still is) that read 'Truck Route' with an arrow - sending the semi's up Middlesex, because they weren't allowed on the Fellsway. However, now that I think about it, how were they get to that point, due to the fact that Fellsway starts (where, exactly?.

Democracy

It is a major issue. I don't fully buy the wind explanation either. Planes are flying over Somerville because Somerville is not bitching enough about it whereas everybody else is! So, pick up the phone and let the Mayor hear what a pain it is.
Also, on the 311 link at the City site it is NOT clear where to leave a note about the airplane situation (as of this morning). The list of topics does not include anything like "airplane situation".

thenoseknows

a couple of things, first,yes there is definately a lot more tractor-trailer traffic in wellington circle, mostly carrying fuel from everett and chelsea. i go thru every a.m. and it is considerable more in the past 8- 12 months. the second is that i thought that for the past 6 or 7 years the plane traffic over winter hill has been more on the week ends than during the week. anyone else notice the week end increase?

This is insane

Boy, you can tell it's an election year when the politicians try to pretend that they can stop planes taking off from Logan Airport! This is an absurd issue. We live 5 miles from an international airport. Travelers tend to complain whenever a plane is delayed by 10 minutes, even if it's because it's covered in ice! So the planes continue to take off. Noone likes it - what do you think it's like living in East Boston, Revere, or Winthrop? People complain about the noise when they're on the ground, but not when they're flying to Florida, Vegas, or elsewhere! Where else would you have them send the planes? And it's not like they fly only over Somerville. Every plane coming over Somerville will hit several other communities as well. And there are only so many communities within that 5 mile radius, and most of them are already totally inundated with plane traffic.

Ron Newman

A couple weeks ago, I went to Mary O'Malley Park in Chelsea to watch a free outdoor performance of "The Visit" by TheatreZone. The play was great, but the performance was seriously marred by the constant low flights of planes above the park.

The only other place I've seen it that bad was at Castle Island in Southie, where a tour guide was futilely trying to tell us the history of the fortification. We could hardly hear her because of the planes.

Tricky

Can't we get some sort of noise reduction legislation from our representatives on Beacon and Capitol Hills? There's no reason we can't have the quieter planes between 6 PM and 8 am - you can tell whoever's flying the retread airplanes from the People's Express/Eastern Airlines fleets to get something (relatively) less noisy.

it *is* funny

They may not be able to stop it (those rascally rabbits running for reelection) but at least they can ask the Massport honchos to come in and let us know if there are mitigation measures. I hope that citizens of Somerville continue to let the Mayor's hotline know when the traffic is excessive so Massport can track patterns and provide the real data we seek.

Did you

Joey Cakes did you fly over Somerville when you went to Florida to see where the two other applicants for the Chiefs job come from. Mabe you should have told the pilot to go around. Was it on our tax dollar to fly, eat, rent a car and sleep over or did it come out of your $140,000.00 salery?

Some Ole Villen

I'm with you barneyboy just because we live in the city we shouldn't have to put up with with more airplane noise than before. Back when the building of the new runway was being debated the suggestion that more flights be moved to Hanscom brought an outpouring of whiny affluent suburbanites who felt that flights shouldn't be going over their precious historic sights in Lexington and Concord. I guess the historic sights in the Boston area don't matter much. Does anyone have the video of the meeting that Massport had with the city residents several years ago making all kinds of promises how the new runway would not increase the number of flights over Somerville?

lifelong res

Just because we live in the city doesn't mean we should put up with the increase airplane traffic and low flying planes. When I bought my house here, it wasn't an issue. I didn't buy my house in Winthrop, So. Boston, etc. where you expected air traffic noise. I do remember all the hollow promises made by Massport. Hopefully someone will come up with the tape(s) of MassPort making those promises. To all those who are bothered by the planes, please continue to complain to the Mayor's Office and/or MassPort.

Ignatius Reilly

Use this to lodge a complaint when it happens:
http://www.massport.com/logan/airpo_noise_form.aspx

Lexington Guy

Here in historic Lexington, we only asked that the airplanes not pass over our beautiful homes weekends or weeknights. We often enjoy entertaining our wealthy friends by the pool. Whats the big deal, you city folk have no such worries. Just ask Massport not to fly over the Dilboy or Foss pools, that should cover it. You whine like Eastie people. Get over it or move, just not to Lexington. Have a great summer, XOXO Muffy & Chad

thenoseknows

you are a funny guy, like a clown i guess. you seem to know about our fine city. are you a landlord, making your wealth from us and going to your palacial estate in the burbs? i have family in lexington, family that i wish to speak to about as much as i want to carry on with this.

Investigator

Judging from the IP and associated information, Lexington Guy is not from Lexington at all. Surprise. And there is something else, but I'm not going to embarass anybody unless they ask for it.

Ron Newman

Seems that some people are having trouble identifying sarcasm.

Lexington Guy

Thanks Ron, I guess my attempt at "sarcasm" stirred the pot. The "investigator" got me ! IP address' works both ways....LOL

Ignatius

You got to admit that signing off "Muffy and Chad" was funny. Whoever did it - kudos to you.

thenoseknows

i dont know what an ip is, but i do know i sign in from someone elses comp, in another city and i live in somerville

Democracy

Investigator, unless you have access to the the site's logs, how would you know the IP of the poster anyway?

Ron Newman

IP is Internet Protocol address, but it's not displayed here, so I don't see how anyone other than the employees of the Somerville News can determine it. Also, it's not necessarily that informative. Mine probably says that I'm in Newton, because that's where my Internet provider is located.

Lexington Guy

i.e. the Mole's IP is in the "Canyon"

Wig Zamore

A few points:

First, regarding the fuel tanker trucks, they are extraordinarily frequent on both Route 16 and Route 28, North and South of the Mystic River coming from the tank farms to the east, as well as on Route 28. It is quite ironic to be in Wellington Circle (or at Mystic Housing) and watch as one of every 20 or so vehicles on these heavily congested arterials turns out to be a fuel truck.

Second, to the point of George's article and many of the comments, I have seen about 10 years of runway usage data. Before 2006, I have only seen one year that hit 7% for takeoffs on Runway 33L. The others were at 6% or 5%. The first half of 2006 (January through June) Runway 33L was used 6.5% of the time. According to MassPort itself, for the first half of 2007 Runway 33L usage was 23.9%.

Notwithstanding the MassPort spokesman, MassPort's own data therefore shows a 252% increase - to 352% of 2006 first half 33L runway usage, representing more than three times any prior year. Total flights are up about 1% - 2%. Although there have been some months with more NW winds than last year, they certainly do not account for the huge increase in over-flights.

Runway 32 has been used 89 out of 210 days since opening. Virtually all parts of Somerville west of Washington Street have planes fly over as they turn from the Runway 33L compass orientation toward their assigned routes. There is a MassPort web-site on which you can track individual flight paths with a 10 minute delay if you wish.

When the wind speed is relatively low, MassPort has great latitude in choosing which runways to use. I believe the most important thing is to call the Logan Noise line if you are bothered. They keep count of all noise complaints made directly to them and frequently publish the numbers by town.

Regards, Wig

Wig Zamore

First "Route 28' in the prior post should have been "Route 38" (Mystic Ave) as Mystic Man had inquired about. Sorry for the typo. Regards, Wig

Whatever

Exactly, Ron. And the Somerville News looks at IP addresses so they can block people they don't like -- like me! Takes a little work to get around it.

it *is* funny

Wig -- thanks for the data. I knew I wasn't just imagining it, and/or that we've had more "windy" days lately. They're using that runway more because we're not complaining enough. I will continue to call/post on the site as necessary. Ironically the overhead traffic has died down considerably since people first started discussing it, here and on other sites.

Democracy

Have not heard any planes in the last week or two. Interesting.

spring hill

We have also experienced the incredible traffic of late June. Now in August, it's been pretty bad on Sundays/ weekends. Constant traffic over Spring Hill, every 5 to 10 minutes. Besides noise pollution, there is also air pollution due to increased air traffic to take into consideration. Anyway, the noise is unbearable and certainly has got nothing to do with the wind...I can SEE THEM right over our house one after the other.

spring hill

We have also experienced the incredible traffic of late June. Now in August, it's been pretty bad on Sundays/ weekends. Constant traffic over Spring Hill, every 5 to 10 minutes. Besides noise pollution, there is also air pollution due to increased air traffic to take into consideration. Anyway, the noise is unbearable and certainly has got nothing to do with the wind...I can SEE THEM right over our house one after the other.

Democracy

Yes, I agree. It's been noisy this last week.

Chris

Did anyone actually read Wig's comments?? For some reason, in 2007 MassPort is choosing to route about three times more traffic over runway 33 - that is, over Somerville - as compared with prior years.

Why? Who cares! - it's certainly not a sudden change in the prevailing winds.

It's up to us to call them up and let them know it's unacceptable. In case you missed it - the Port Authority’s noise complaint line is (617) 561-3333...and keep calling...and spread the word!

The planes seem louder as well as more frequent. I wonder if the planes are remaining at lower altitudes longer as they take off - possibly to save on fuel costs?

lifelong res

When you make a complaint, they want dates and times. I kept track for a little while yesterday and again this a.m. 9/4 p.m.: 6:48, 6:49, 6:51, 6:53, 7:00, 7:02, 7:04, 7:05, 7:09, 7:10, 7:14, 7:16 and 9/5 a.m.: 7:31, 7:34, 7:35, 7:41, 7:43, 7:47, 7:48, 7:59, 8:01, 8:03, 8:04, 8:06, 8:08, 8:10. We are being inundated with planes flying over head. I don't care about the wind, etc. We ALL need to make our voices heard, other communities are being heard.

Imux

http://www.massport.com/logan/airpo_noise_form.aspx to complain over the web. I've done at least 20 complaints.

Greeeeeeat guv'ner we all have, huh? Keep voting for the democrats and pretty soon we'll be living in a 3rd world country.

it *is* funny

I complained this morning too ... from 7:30 - 9:30 there was a plane overhead every minute. Last time I complained, they sent me a multi-page response including explanations of the wind and the runway information. I don't believe the wind theory whatsoever.

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