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September 19, 2006

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Henny Youngman

Hey Deval.......Take my Mayor.....PLEASE !!

Patrick is Dreaming

There is no way Massachusetts can be a leader in green energy! We are way too far behind now.

Remember Denmark? In 1973 it generated 90 percent of its electricity from imported oil. Never again. Now not only are the Danes energy-self-sufficient, but they also export 50 percent of their oil, 30 percent of their natural gas, and 19 percent of their electrical energy.

And remember wind energy? The wind is free and plentiful, and not subject to cutoff. Denmark is the leader in the generation of wind energy, and also in the manufacturing and technology of wind turbines.

Where do you think the five big wind turbines here in Massachusetts were made? You guessed it: Denmark another social Democracy and country that is being run better than ours.

Koch has more influence over own government than any other force on the planet. As long as they can make record profits the less we know the better off they are. Less is more. I don't what is worse, oil companies or tabaco companies?

Yorktown Street

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

Dream on

you are all dreaming because you have no idea what you are up against. You don't know anything about Bill Koch or how to deal with a hidden PR & lobbying machine that fuels their profits at the expense of our planet. Since 1998, Koch is the fourth biggest campaign oil and gas industry giver, behind ChevronTexaco, El Paso Corp. and Enron Corp.

Despite its size and political largesse, Koch is able to dodge the limelight because it is privately-held, meaning that nearly all of its business dealings are known primarily only by the company and the Internal Revenue Service. In fact, it is the second largest private company in the country, trailing only food processing giant Cargill.

Koch also prefers to operate in private when it comes to politics and government.

Ron Newman

So which candidate did or does Koch support? I don't quite see the connection between your post and the Mass. governor's race.

Dream on

The point is that it is not going to be a governor's Race Ron. It is going to come down to this issue.

Lobby disclosure forms have already tied more than $50,000 in payments on the Coast Guard bill to the Oxbow Group, an energy conglomerate owned and founded by Bill Koch. Mr. Koch is an Osterville homeowner who has donated more than $1 million to the Alliance against cape wind and also serves as co-chairman on its board of directors.

Koch, along with the rest of his family, are also among the key supporters of reactionary think tanks and the conservative movement, have close ties to the white house and have had more influence in environmental regulations than any other group of people in this countries history. they are famous for overturning government regulations that interfere with their money making machines. Less is more for these guys.

How much money and and effort do you think these guys are going to dump into stopping Deval Patrick if he supports Cape Wind?

Dream on

The point is that it is not going to be a governor's Race Ron. It is going to come down to this issue.

Lobby disclosure forms have already tied more than $50,000 in payments on the Coast Guard bill to the Oxbow Group, an energy conglomerate owned and founded by Bill Koch. Mr. Koch is an Osterville homeowner who has donated more than $1 million to the Alliance against cape wind and also serves as co-chairman on its board of directors.

Koch, along with the rest of his family, are also among the key supporters of reactionary think tanks and the conservative movement, have close ties to the white house and have had more influence in environmental regulations than any other group of people in this countries history. they are famous for overturning government regulations that interfere with their money making machines. Less is more for these guys.

How much money and and effort do you think these guys are going to dump into stopping Deval Patrick if he supports Cape Wind?

Ron Newman

So what exactly are you proposing that Patrick supporters (or supporters of any other candidate) do to counter this lobbying effort?

Koch heads

Koch (pronounced "Coke") probably wouldn't support Patrick anyhow. But, with the star power that his candidacy is going to bring to Massachusetts including Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson, and others, Patrick won't need their money. He'll be getting loads of free air time. Romney buried Healey for too long. She won't be able to get out from his shadow in time. The GOP has only itself to blame. People are going to look past the standard GOP blather about taxes and so on and see that it is time for a change in Massachusetts and Patrick is just the kind of outsider that can bring that change.

Has anyone ever tried to find out how much, if any, money has been channelled to the current house and senate leadership on Beacon Hill from Koch.

Koch buys lunch for Kennedy, a lot.

Koch will support the opposition to cape wind and Patrick. Besides Koch's primary weapon was—and remains—the cadre of think tanks and other advocacy groups it finances. The brothers or their representatives usually sit on their boards, taking a hands-on approach to make sure the groups push the company's interests.

Power_decline_somerville

I looked at the primary results and Somerville as a political power while continuing to shift left is much less of a power than it was 10 and 20 years ago.

The primary was a perfect example. In Somerville, there where 11,722 votes cast. This is down from the days when Somerville voters would cast over 20,000 votes in a race of this kind. More importantly

Somerville has fallen into the 2nd tier of political cities/ towns- with a turnout very similiar to lesser politically motivated places such as: Plymouth Arlington Medford Brookline Peabody Brockton Lowell Lynn Weymouth Framingham

Somerville ranks well below Cambridge, Quincy, and other comparable sized cities in turnout. And, thus in political clout.

Comments?

PersonDavis

I agree with the poster above that there is a decline in Somerville's relevancy. This is unfortunate, but I think it's because we are in such a state of transition. I haven't really looked at the numbers city wide yet, but if there are say 90% of the voters who are either Democrat or Independent, and 27% of them came out to vote, that leaves a large void.

What will tell me a lot is how many of the voters this past Tuesday were actually Democrats as opposed to Independents taking a Democratic ballot.

And what's this nonsense about Patrick appointing the mayor to a judgeship when he gets elected? Is this someone's idea of a joke?

Patrick trounces Healy in new CBS4 Poll

It is a 64-25 percent trouncing of Healey.

The moderates are onto Muffy's game of conquer and divide!

Muffy Healy Looked Like The Moron She Is

Man did she get her little head handed to her tonight! Miho's did all the dirty work while Deval came across calm, cool and collected with intelligent answers to complicated issues.

After this debate Muffy will have a lot to answer for...starting with the cushy federal job her husband received....what's up with that?

Muffy better find a new image maker because the one she is using now is laughing all the ways to the bank!!!!

Its windy at the top

Mihos hit his peak, and it wasn't a good showing. The tan he has was darker than Patrick's skin color. He came across to me as a barking chihuahua. The cartoon ads are a good indication of the seriousness this bozo needs to be taken with. It's obvious that his main motivation is to settle some score with Jane Swift and Healey ain't no Jane Swift!

Deval did his usual stay cool and remain blurred on the substance routine as well he should with such a huge lead in the polls. Being vague is his best friend right now. He's a smart guy.

Kerry took the 2 on 1 pretty well I thought. If she started barking back at anyone, it would have made her look stupid, which she is not.

Grace Ross, if she had a chance to speak, would have probably made more sense than all 3 of the others combined. I admire her for being up there amongst the millionaires club.

This so-called debate didn't do anything to change the direction of my vote since there weren't really much in the way of real issues talked about with any substance.

What I'm wondering is who is going to be Deval's Natalie Richardson when election day draws near.

Ron Newman

Who is Natalie Richardson?

brickbottom

Windy,

That's Natalie Jacobson and believe me Patrick is no Silber. Silber was an angry little man.

Its windy at the top

And so is Mihos! The difference between now and 1990 is that in 1990 there was no three-way. It was just Weld and Silber. So far, Deval's gotten what amounts to a free ride in politics with only little snipes from Healey and nothing from Mihos.

Mihos hasn't said boo about the BS the Democratic Party has been pulling up on Beacon Hill. As the hour draws nearer, the attacks will come, and they will probably be viscious. Especially if he senses, as he may well have done after last night's polls, that he actually has a chance at this thing. Healey's numbers after last night are probably as far south as their going to be. Christy just might be her hero after all, just like she said. It will only take 35-38% to win this thing and Deval's numbers have a lot more downside potential than upside with him starting off at such a high plateau.

By the way...

brick and Ron, sorry about the wrong last name. It is Jacobsen, not Richardson. Too early in the morning I guess.

Kerry Healy in over her head

I dont know how anyone can take Kerry Healy seriously. Romney picked her because her husband has bucks and she offered no political threat to him as he wandered around the country.

Romey-Healy have done nothing for the working people and nothing for the state except make excuses and point fingers at the big dig.

I have to laugh when she refers to herself as a lifelong crimeinoligist. Does being and adjunct professor at Bradford College make one that?

brickbottom

"I have to laugh when she refers to herself as a lifelong crimeinoligist. Does being and adjunct professor at Bradford College make one that?"

That is the joke of the day! I bet she never has seen the inside of a courtroom!
Put that up against Patrick's experience as a prosecutor, civil rights attorney and litigator of some of the biggest companies in the world and she comes off as the idiot she is.

brickbottom to windy

"So far, Deval's gotten what amounts to a free ride in politics with only little snipes from Healey and nothing from Mihos."

Do you call the last four or five debates that Patrick had with Gabrieli and Silber Jr. (Reilly) a free ride?

Muffy Healy is a lightweight and the coming weeks will only bring that to light even more. You can only go so far on hubby's money. Also, what's up with her hubby getting a federal job and Muffy changing her tune in regards to illegals to be more in line with Bush?

From people who watched the debate

Debate Poll Results from Fox25 News:
Kerry Healey 15%
Deval Patrick 51%
Christy Mihos 31%
Grace Ross 3%
Total number of votes: 1471

windy back to brickbottom

brickbottom asked;

"Do you call the last four or five debates that Patrick had with Gabrieli and Silber Jr. (Reilly) a free ride?"

Yes, I do.

Remember, Patrick had the upper hand in all of them. Like last night, all he really had to do was keep his mouth shut. He'd already won the party endorsement at the convention hands down. Both Gabrieli and Reilly were lucky to make it out of the convention at all. No other Democratic candidate would even THINK about dealing a bruising blow knowing how much of a lead Patrick had in the polls. Heck, your friend Reilly said it himself with the "this is mild" or whatever remark to Patrick. Did you not view that as a concession speech by your favorite AG? I know I did.

Patrick now has to face the very real possibility of peaking too soon. With a petulant Mihos on a roll after last night, the media will be likely to follow him for their fun one-liners and Patrick will be all but unheard. 5 weeks is a lifetime in a gubernatorial campaign, and every time Mihos tosses a bomb at Healey, her name recognition will go up.

If I were giving advice to the Patrick campaign, I would tell them to get Tim Murray right out in front of the independents and middle-class voters before Hillman gets any traction. Murray can keep the motor running for Patrick. He was not the choice of the Patrick base, but he just might be the thing that secures the victory at the end. This race is far from over.

Windy

Your comment below make no sense at all. Could you please explain your reasoning?
The other two spent millions of dollars and didn't want to upset the apple cart? Huh?

"No other Democratic candidate would even THINK about dealing a bruising blow knowing how much of a lead Patrick had in the polls."

windy at the top

"Could you please explain your reasoning?"

Sure.

After the St. Fleur fiasco, Reilly knew he couldn't win. I don't know how many "millions" he ended up spending, but it was certainly the least of the three and it sure as hell didn't come from his own money since he doesn't really have any (compared to the other two).

Gabrieli was in it to spite Reilly after being left at the altar. Howie Carr said it best; "A fool and his money are soon parted." I believe he jumped into the race as much for self-vindication as for ego. Fact is, Chris Gabrieli can AFFORD his ego. After losing in 2002, I sort of wish Gabrieli had gotten right back on the horse and started positioning himself for 2006. I'm talking door-to-door neeting people rather than mass media, which he could have saved for the end of the primary fight. It bugged me that he didn't do that since I think he would have probably made a lot of friends and gotten a broader base of support.

Consider, too, that the Gabrieli attack ads by the GOP were really a thinly-veiled attempt to siphon votes from Patrick. Even THEY knew he was the greatest threat.

I probably should have said "crushing blow". The ads I saw during the primary struck me as being pathetically lightweight. It all came down to trivial aesthetics and soft-speak. An alternative example would be Silber vs. Belotti. Now, that one was just plain ugly.

I'm not saying that it was any kind of conspiracy to advance Patrick, but this has to go down as one of the least exciting and most predictable primaries I've ever seen where there were three candidates with such relatively diverse philosophies.

Maybe, in some strange way, that will ultimately translate into Democratic Party unity. Maybe not. I still say the key person is Murray.

Muffy Healy is afraid of the truth....

Seems Muffy was so rattled by Mihos last night that she is calling for a one on one debate with Patrick! She called Mihos nothing but noise! What a crybaby!!

Poor baby.....is this what we want for a governor....someone afraid to even debate someone who used nothing but her abysmal record against her? This is someone who is supposed to take on the what she called "special interests" and what we call our elected officials on Beacon Hill. If she can't stand up to one opponent then how will she stand up to the House and Senate.

I think she is ready to take her ball and go home to her mansion in Beverly-By-The-Sea! Poor Muffy, maybe she can have tea and cookies with her polo club buddies and cry on their shoulders.

Also from the Globe:

Jasper White, one of the "regular people" who got to ask a question in FOX25's gubernatorial debate Monday night, is not just a celebrity chef -- he is also a maxed-out contributor to Republican nominee Kerry Healey's campaign. State campaign finance records show the seafood superstar who brought us Jasper's and Summer Shack donated $500 to Healey last January.

What a bag job that misfired, just like Shonda Schilling who isn't even registered to vote in our state.

Windy

Windy,

Anyone who qoutes Howie Carr.........well I'll leave it to your imagination.

windy at the top

Windy:

Actually, that is from a Chinese proverb. Howie Carr just happened to invoke it and it fit well. I'll admit that Howie is quite the hypocrite though.

No matter how you slice it, Gabrieli is out $9 million+ with nothing to show for it but a bunch of campaign signs. If that doesn;t define "fool" then please tell me what does.

And, speaking of hypocrites, I see Deval is up there now making nice with the house and senate leadership after castigating them and their "Beacon Hill culture". From Rep. Mark Morrissey (who had backed Gabrieli but was "reached out to" by Deval), we get the following;

``What's the difference? Who wants to ally themselves with the Legislature? Everyone likes us in our district, but we're hated as a group. I'd rather have him say the truth."

The truth?!?! Hey, there's an idea!! Now, THAT would be a culture change!

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